Thearlygamer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:43 pm
I didn't mention refunds because that's always a case by case scenario, but I do think punishments should be handed out to the rats of our community who think it's okay to try and get 1 up on the next guy via scamming or loop holing. Also I don't think the "we won't make a decision based on pitchforkin folks pressing us to do so" isn't a great argument considering it took the communitys input to put that player into the position they're in to begin with. I think the communitys voices should be heard, but this post is specifcally on the whole "staff not getting involved in player made deals" because I feel like common sense should be common amongst staff memebers when finding something to be a scam or not there isn't much grey area if people aren't using loop holes to get their way.
I would like to be able to work that way, but like I said, most of the times there is not enough evidence to decide. Even when someone does provide screenshots of their player-made deal they might only be showing you half of the agreement and leave out anything that doesn't fit their story. So in most of the cases you have to say: sorry, can't help you.
So why is this a problem?
In a system like we have now, when someone gets scammed, they will either be mad at the person who scammed them or at themselves, because there exists a way they could've protected themselves but they didn't bother to use it. It literally forces people to take steps to protect themselves from later disputes and as a result far fewer disputes happen (which is the goal).
In a system like you're proposing, most of the time when someone gets scammed, instead of being mad at themselves or the scammer they turn their anger against the server. The staff team becomes the bad guy for not being able to decide in their favour. They don't even think that it might be their fault for not collecting enough evidence or making a solid agreement. A system like this actually discourages people from taking steps to protect themselves because no matter how badly they handled things, there is still the expectation that they are protected and can run to the staff team if anything goes wrong.
All in all a system like this leads to more incidents of scamming, and more pissed off people who believe staff should've picked their side even when there wasn't enough evidence to do so.
Marklauten wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:55 pm
First off. Staff or admins have the ability to see program file while PHhonor is running. Second, chat logs and yells, plus any way of communication is logged. There is a way to tell if someone made an agreement. You are just lazy.
Funny, you state two things as facts as they're both wrong. No one has the ability to see program files (which is completely irrelevant here) and there is no such thing as chat logs. You are just making stuff up (wouldn't be the first time ey).
As for "just being lazy"... There exists a way that players can protect themselves and all it takes is that they throw their agreement in a topic. But they cba. If anything goes wrong then someone else should go spend an hour digging through logs so that I don't have to spend 30 seconds posting a topic. Who exactly is being lazy here?
Even if chat logs did exist, if the argument is that "staff should just grab a shovel, figure out what all my alts and all his alts are, and start digging through everything any of my alts and any of his alts have said in the past month (which would be tens of thousands of chat messages) just so I don't have to write down what our deal is"... I would still say, go to hell. If you want us to spend hours sorting out your mess then the least you can do is make a small post stating what the agreement is. Consider it meeting us halfway. If there is a dispute we'll still have to spend a lot of time and effort to figure out what happened afterwards, but at least we won't have to go on a scavenger hunt just to find out what the deal was in the first place. And by making the small effort to do this you are already greatly reducing the chance that there will be a dispute so it's a win-win for everyone.
EDIT: One final point I'd like to make about this that really baffles me:
In real life, if I say I agree to something and then I change my mind, maybe that makes me a bad person but it doesn't make me a criminal. But on PkHonor you want us to treat anything anyone says as legally binding, as if they wrote it on a nice piece of paper, copied it in triplicate and signed their name under it. This is a game, for crying out loud. Where do you get this idea that the things people say need to be treated even more strictly than they are in real life?
If you want to make a serious, legally binding agreement with someone then make a serious agreement and make the post. If you ask me that option should exist but it should not apply by default to everything that is said in-game.