Out-of-game Moderation (cont.)

[Raj]

Jayden, your comment on my last post is pure self-serving bias. It is you now and it was me then. If you’d have me banned first, you are making my case for me that actually my bans were completely fair. Unfortunately I am just one guy and not a small faction of a clan, so when you go to do it, you won’t set off any alarms with (ex) staff managers subservient to that clan, so you won’t be demoted by a staff manager who resigned 6 months ago and didn’t even ask you what the bans were for. You wouldn’t have to deal with that staff manager choosing to just taking the ridiculous stance that people were being banned for the phrase “hey bestie” (how someone could even assume this and not stop to ask “am I an idiot?” is beyond ridiculous), or them getting completely hostile and unhinged because I was supposed to be a mind reader and speak up when it was him last time or else I’d be barred from raising the same issue, alongside a number of other ridiculous and fallacious arguments. I am not 4 people and I’m not willing to exploit the biases of my friends, so you’d have to deal with none of that.

And for anyone reading along, we’re talking about Discord bans. In case you’re wondering how absurd this is.

[Iron adam]

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[Raj]

We can keep going, don’t see why posts in general discussion being actively used for discussion are being locked, besides a staff member finally getting a little unhinged after seeing what I was dealing with. I can make another one if we need to continue our discussion in general discussion.

[Patel]

The reason we used to lock threads like these was because the forums were an active place and we didn't want to saturate people's digests with private arguments. We were also coming off of the forum-era of the internet, where people generally treated online boards with a bit of respect and a novel place for discussion. As the ability to post online has become ubiquitous among the population, most people no longer treat the internet like a privilege and the culture surrounding discussion online has changed entirely. I don't think Raj calling out the people who are trying to make him leave the game is a bad thing or inappropriate at this point. It's not like it's detracting attention from anything else anyways.

The issue with Raj and the many folks who blatantly dislike him and want him gone is unresolved - yes, they are being toxic to him, no, it's not really banter. Banter is fun and keeps you coming back for more. You want Raj to leave PkHonor, you'll bully him every way you can to get there. You understand that the dumb and simple rules on here just require that you don't say certain words, and you know that you can psychologically torture someone without ever using a slur. This is human interaction 101. Peace is a choice that you have decided not to make, and now one that Raj has also decided not to make. The ability to resolve your differences is there, but whether or not you guys choose to do it is up to you.

I purposefully tagged no one because you'll feel like it's directed at you if you're involved. There's also a lot of you and I'm lazy.

This situation is full of individuals (on both sides) who would rather stubbornly cling to their dislike for one another than sit down and talk through their differences. I'm not sure why - maybe y'all just never had a chance to open up and talk about your feelings, maybe you don't know how. But the thing that's actually difficult is taking some time to talk to and understand one another. Pointing fingers, calling each other crude things, and banding together to drive people out - it's easy. That's why even kids do it in pre-school. It takes little thought. You follow some basic rules to not get caught. Then you get your way.

The issue of not having any moderation outside of the game server is one that is long overdue for a serious discussion and overhaul as well. It only got to this point because the ability to act was restricted by strict rules from Owner(s), and we neutered our own staff team over time like a pet dog. I fought it at various points, Ryan fought it at various points, the community fought it, countless staff members fought it - but we were always told 'well we can't lose players'. Or that 'it wasn't worth the risk of getting someone innocent'. Now that we don't really have players left to lose, it's time to talk principles and decide whether or not the community is a zero-sum-game. Is it? If so, then no point in discussion, things are going exactly as intended.

If not, then what kind of community do we want to build?

[Raj]

Why was Ryan even moderating this? What does "resigned" even mean? Or is there an exception for demoting me on some bullshit strawman and archiving my threads where I complain about it, but he's otherwise resigned?

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Anyways, a staff member can probably lock this, or unlock them all and merge them (if you guys have anyone who knows how to do that).

[Iron adam]

Why was Ryan even moderating this?

From what I understand, Ryan no longer exists. Jayden is in control of Ryan's accounts.

[Ryun]

Why was Ryan even moderating this?

From what I understand, Ryan no longer exists. Jayden is in control of Ryan's accounts.

jayden would be able to do that from his own acc no?

I dont think he uses ryans forums acc

[Jayden]

Why was Ryan even moderating this?

From what I understand, Ryan no longer exists. Jayden is in control of Ryan's accounts.

I only have access to Ryan's in game account, which essentially a band aid fix until Rapsey and Mike discuss and transfer his rank and powers onto me, His forum account is still in full access of him and essentially always will be due to his email

[Iron adam]

Why was Ryan even moderating this?

From what I understand, Ryan no longer exists. Jayden is in control of Ryan's accounts.

I only have access to Ryan's in game account, which essentially a band aid fix until Rapsey and Mike discuss and transfer his rank and powers onto me, His forum account is still in full access of him and essentially always will be due to his email

My mistake king, thanks for clarifying