PkHonor

Isaac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:05 pm I've had a read and my opinion is this. The bug exists and that is nobody's fault. Do I think in this particular situation that Patel should have acted for Will? No. Will could have just waited a few hours to avoid Ensignor seeing as he got the log out initially. To me, it looks like Will used Patel to get out of the situation and that's the thing I have a problem with in this scenario. There's fault on both sides. Firstly, Will thinking that Patel would do this for him whilst he is actively under attack. Secondly, Patel thinking it was a good idea to do this and basically take a high value kill away from another player.

So, I'd say let bygones be bygones on this particular situation BUT it should be noted that in the future, if you get yourself stuck on that log, staff WILL NOT act to save you. Simply bring an alt to PJ the aggressor(s), log out, and speak to a member of staff. I think if someone waits for hours and hours for you to log back in and you do and they catch you again, then that's absolutely fine. It's a fair kill. Although, I don't know many players that would do that just for a 10b kill.

The best way to deal with this kind of situation is to resolve it in a manner which affects the least amount of people. I get that it's frustrating and honestly I'd rather just see this bug fixed as I myself have died to it multiple times. However, in the mean time, going forwards staff should not act in this situation in the future and players in the wilderness should just be careful in the mean time to avoid this bug, or avoid that log altogether.

Patel wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:09 pm The only reason I disagree with this is because it fixes a symptom without addressing a larger problem. If there's a glitch then I can't rationalize anyone with power refusing to act in the game's best interests - ideas like pking or trading or a lack of staff intervention are superceded by the game's integrity, peoples intentions notwithstanding

Will be ok2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:28 pmI had no intentions of asking any staff for help, it was going on nearly midnight, I had logged out and was already about to go to sleep. It wasn’t until ensignor continuously baited me and my CC on yell when Patel yelled “what’s the problem here” that I pm’d him to let him know that I was logged out in wild being camped by ensignor + fkpjers + alts and asked him to come see. People have been refunded previously from dying to this bug so I’m not sure exactly how anyone can respectfully say that you should just take the L?

Zvrc wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:40 pm If thats the case drop my boy ensignor about 100b for the times Underdogs would purposely run through the course and try to catch a barrage on me. Will be ok used to “abuse” the same bug but when the odds arent in his favor he deicdes to bitch about it? Nah pay my mans.

Zvrc wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:40 pm If thats the case drop my boy ensignor about 100b for the times Underdogs would purposely run through the course and try to catch a barrage on me. Will be ok used to “abuse” the same bug but when the odds arent in his favor he deicdes to bitch about it? Nah pay my mans.

Patel wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:09 am

You could even argue that it's because [individual] PMed or yelled, they got a faster response time.

Better yet @Lieven, in that vein he'd honestly have had a stronger argument if he'd gone with "Will purposefully used the log to get a chance to kill me while having a safe exit out". This is why I'm convinced Ensignor isn't concerned about anything other than the chance to pk 10b - there's no conception of the big picture here or anyone else. The code is broken and it needs to be fixed

At the end of the day though id do it again, staff member or not. If we'd let it go then there's no guarantee any developer would've heard about it.

But now it's a big deal and I reckon it can be fixed