PkHonor

none of us "staff team" get paid to do anything that we do, we do everything for the love of the server for forgive us if once in a while we have a life to live and cant have a staff member on 100% of the time throughout the days, admins in reality don't have to show there face, what is required from an admin doesn't even involved logging in most of the time. what Ryan and Ely do has always been out of damn love for the server, would you rather Pure rick or Maurits to return? we saw how that went.

this server has had its ups and its down but saying we are understaffed is completely wrong, if you take in the amount of consistent players we have compared to the staff we have i would say we are actually over staffed, if you believe there could be better staff then by all means go find them because there's a high chance Ryan would have already seen them and proven they aren't staff worthy

majority of us who are still on this server aren't 12, if someone cant handle a cheeky little chat about porn hub or a few dicks and vaginas or cant they handle a bit of clear friendly banter then Maybe the adult internet just isn't for them.

what i do agree with is the loophole about being able to say the N word, i have never been a fan of how one N word is against the rule, the other isn't.

us staff members can only carry so much weight, the community is the biggest leader in what makes a game thrive, the amount of shit that has been said or done to mods in threats of doxing, irl threats and much more is disgusting, we will go out of our way to show respect for the community but that only last so long if the community doesn't know how to show it back, we aren't robots, we are on this game for the love of it and to watch it thrive. Some of us mods have been here throughout the highest of player bases to the lowest (13 online) so i can promise you we have respect and love for this game.


the glory days you were around in are just no more, they never will come back and that's just the absolute reality of Runescape in general
this is no way a shot at you what so ever, i felt fair answer was warranted to everything that was mentioned

this isn't just to legit nukes which props on them for having the balls to say what they feel, use a discussion like this to give ideas, if you have better staff members then shit get them to apply, feel you know someone that could run this show better than its being ran currently, say it.
want rules changed, mention it. the community runs the show, if you want something done then mention it in a reasonable way.

I'd like to see trial mods given an exam where they have to answer situational questions to make sure they know how to handle situations. Also if staff had to read reports that players wrote, so that they could make sure people causing trouble while they're offline stopped, that would be really good too. It'd also help if Ryan took time to review each mod's activity weekly, and giving new applicants trial mod when he sees the team slacking. I also really wish all 3 admins were more accessible and answered PMs from mods asking them questions, but mostly that Church guy since he's known to be really slow when responding to messages from mods.

No, but seriously, why is it the devs are great people for developing despite having real lives but the staff (who don't even have any financial incentive to do what they do, unlike Mike and Rapsey) have to be trained and given shifts so that there's constantly "properly trained" mods online at all times? Isn't that a bit weird, and a pretty easy way to guarantee you have no mods left after a while? No offense to Mike, but he seems like he's been burnt out at times, and he literally receives money to do this. I can't really imagine what would happen if the mods were forced to moderate certain shifts so that there was always a mod on. Either it'd work or it wouldn't, I guess. But I bet if it did work they'd all hate it but do it cause they care for the server. But that only lasts so long and after everyone quits and tells everyone else how shitty the required shifts are, who are your replacement staff going to be?

Also, do you play any other games where you log in and expect to see admins interacting with the community directly? Whenever they do that on here I'm 90% sure they just get a bunch of requests to unban accounts, do recoveries, etc.

In terms of replacing Matt and Ryan, I can't see a single reason that should actually happen. Like sure, you can just assert that that's how it should be, but I'm pretty sure that in terms of their actual duties, they're doing ok. Asking for admins who have been doing admin duties for ages to be replaced in the same thread as complaining staff are undertrained is also fairly ironic, but I'll let you figure out why. I guess it would be cool if we had another admin named Church who was literally currently being trained to assist with the more essential duties. I bet that would help a lot, given Matt and Ryan are, like the rest of us (and the rest of the mods), people with lives and things to do outside of being on a game they grew up playing. There is also the massive trust factor which keeps the higher-ups from just promoting people to admin left and right.

Here's all I've taken away from this. And keep in mind it's entirely my opinion. You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to running a team of unpaid volunteers from around the world in practice. Like theoretically, in a world where there's endless numbers of smart and friendly people motivated to be staff who would never betray Mike and Rapsey's trust and have the time to work set shifts, sure, maybe you're right. This isn't that.

Didn't ask

Okay, Ill bite.

Legit nukes wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:00 am What I don't like to see is that mods are under staffed, under trained, and also from what i understand there is little to no admins showing their faces, I understand that everyone has a life, but if you dedicate yourself to a community as a "head mod" or an "admin" i would hope you to be showing your faces and showing mods the ropes, show some respect for your community, I don't want players running around calling people the "N" word every two minutes, i don't want people yelling about dicks or vaginas and pornhub, i don't wanna see home filled with afk people and beggars or even newer players there to just manipulate the image of the server, and i've seen this so much in the past 2 days i played..

Under staffed? Ive been a staff member on this server for 7 years now. We went through various periods in which we only had 4 mods and 1 admin at a time (Which was me). It also comes down to the quality of the people applying. Im not going to accept every application just because I 'only' have 8 mods.

Admins not showing their face? I try to log on almost every day.Quite a few community members will attest to this. Sure there are things we could do better, but how about a suggestions thread, instead of a hate thread telling me myself and the staff team are the reason this server is 'dead'. And excuse me? show some respect for my community? Me being the longest server staff member this server has ever had (By a long shot), and still managing to meet the 10h activity requirement I set for my team most weeks isn't showing my face or respecting my community? I'm sorry but that is just ignorant. I don't get paid to do this. I never have and never will receive compensation for my work here. So yeah, I have to go to work 55 hours a week to pay my bills. I do as much as I can with the little time I have for myself. Im not going to apologise for that.

As for your comment regarding the beggars and vile comments... We tried it your way. Many times. We tried to discipline everyone that did that sort of thing, and what come of it? The community making various threads calling us Nazis, saying we're too strict. So which one is it? people seem to complain far less now then they did when we tried it your way. Theres no pleasing everybody. But im always open for suggestions. Racism though, I agree with. But if people don't see it, then of course it goes un-punished. And if staff members purposely ignore it. Thats a whole different issue.

Dont mind if I take this thread with a grain of salt, because you spent a whole 4 hours online in the last 6 months and you're trying to tell me, that me and my team are the issue. The people that have actually dedicated time and effort in to this server day in day out can outline the real issues with PKHonor. Because, sure. There are definitely big issues. But I can assure you, the staff team are not the cause of what you label a "failing server". Issues that im not going to discuss publicly, out of professionalism and loyalty to these people that try their best to make this server what it is.

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I don't see eye to eye with you on quite a number of things but this time I'm 100% agreeing with you.

Thierryu1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:11 pm

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Ryan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:12 pm Okay, Ill bite.

Legit nukes wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:00 am What I don't like to see is that mods are under staffed, under trained, and also from what i understand there is little to no admins showing their faces, I understand that everyone has a life, but if you dedicate yourself to a community as a "head mod" or an "admin" i would hope you to be showing your faces and showing mods the ropes, show some respect for your community, I don't want players running around calling people the "N" word every two minutes, i don't want people yelling about dicks or vaginas and pornhub, i don't wanna see home filled with afk people and beggars or even newer players there to just manipulate the image of the server, and i've seen this so much in the past 2 days i played..

Under staffed? Ive been a staff member on this server for 7 years now. We went through various periods in which we only had 4 mods and 1 admin at a time (Which was me). It also comes down to the quality of the people applying. Im not going to accept every application just because I 'only' have 8 mods.

Admins not showing their face? I try to log on almost every day.Quite a few community members will attest to this. Sure there are things we could do better, but how about a suggestions thread, instead of a hate thread telling me myself and the staff team are the reason this server is 'dead'. And excuse me? show some respect for my community? Me being the longest server staff member this server has ever had (By a long shot), and still managing to meet the 10h activity requirement I set for my team most weeks isn't showing my face or respecting my community? I'm sorry but that is just ignorant. I don't get paid to do this. I never have and never will receive compensation for my work here. So yeah, I have to go to work 55 hours a week to pay my bills. I do as much as I can with the little time I have for myself. Im not going to apologise for that.

As for your comment regarding the beggars and vile comments... We tried it your way. Many times. We tried to discipline everyone that did that sort of thing, and what come of it? The community making various threads calling us Nazis, saying we're too strict. So which one is it? people seem to complain far less now then they did when we tried it your way. Theres no pleasing everybody. But im always open for suggestions. Racism though, I agree with. But if people don't see it, then of course it goes un-punished. And if staff members purposely ignore it. Thats a whole different issue.

Dont mind if I take this thread with a grain of salt, because you spent a whole 4 hours online in the last 6 months and you're trying to tell me, that me and my team are the issue. The people that have actually dedicated time and effort in to this server day in day out can outline the real issues with PKHonor. Because, sure. There are definitely big issues. But I can assure you, the staff team are not the cause of what you label a "failing server". Issues that im not going to discuss publicly, out of professionalism and loyalty to these people that try their best to make this server what it is.

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I don't see eye to eye with you on quite a number of things but this time I'm 100% agreeing with you.

Thats because you are 175cm and Ryan is 190cm

Iron adam wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:45 pm

Thierryu1 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:11 pm

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Ryan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:12 pm Okay, Ill bite.




Under staffed? Ive been a staff member on this server for 7 years now. We went through various periods in which we only had 4 mods and 1 admin at a time (Which was me). It also comes down to the quality of the people applying. Im not going to accept every application just because I 'only' have 8 mods.

Admins not showing their face? I try to log on almost every day.Quite a few community members will attest to this. Sure there are things we could do better, but how about a suggestions thread, instead of a hate thread telling me myself and the staff team are the reason this server is 'dead'. And excuse me? show some respect for my community? Me being the longest server staff member this server has ever had (By a long shot), and still managing to meet the 10h activity requirement I set for my team most weeks isn't showing my face or respecting my community? I'm sorry but that is just ignorant. I don't get paid to do this. I never have and never will receive compensation for my work here. So yeah, I have to go to work 55 hours a week to pay my bills. I do as much as I can with the little time I have for myself. Im not going to apologise for that.

As for your comment regarding the beggars and vile comments... We tried it your way. Many times. We tried to discipline everyone that did that sort of thing, and what come of it? The community making various threads calling us Nazis, saying we're too strict. So which one is it? people seem to complain far less now then they did when we tried it your way. Theres no pleasing everybody. But im always open for suggestions. Racism though, I agree with. But if people don't see it, then of course it goes un-punished. And if staff members purposely ignore it. Thats a whole different issue.

Dont mind if I take this thread with a grain of salt, because you spent a whole 4 hours online in the last 6 months and you're trying to tell me, that me and my team are the issue. The people that have actually dedicated time and effort in to this server day in day out can outline the real issues with PKHonor. Because, sure. There are definitely big issues. But I can assure you, the staff team are not the cause of what you label a "failing server". Issues that im not going to discuss publicly, out of professionalism and loyalty to these people that try their best to make this server what it is.

+1
I don't see eye to eye with you on quite a number of things but this time I'm 100% agreeing with you.

Thats because you are 175cm and Ryan is 190cm

I am 178 and on a good day 179-80. pls get your facts straight.

Iron adam wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:27 am I think the mods should learn to code so we can get some more content!

I've brought this topic up numerous times before. You could ask @Thoby and @Church about this. On numerous occasions, I've offered to help code because that's what I'm going to school for, I'd figure, it would be good practice and help out the server I love with new content. But, the consensus I hear about it is that it would just lead to Mike having to recheck and go over the code every time to make sure it was all good.

If they ever change their mind and decide to add on more devs, I'm always eager to help out

Seems like most mods and admins gave their opinion on this already, but let me throw in mine while we're at it!

First of all, I don't think we've ever had this many mods. Yes, there's only 1 moderator with a way different timezone, but that happens to be the most inactive timezone.
The other mods only miss out on a few hours at night, and it's not like we get mad player reports during the night (We barely get any at all, actually).

Also, we do give severe punishments for racism and other extreme offensive language. You do realize players can't see a mute being handed out, unless it's a yell mute?

I can show you a lot of these, but let's go over the punishment history of a player that's been racist multiple times within the last 3 weeks.

-First offence (racism) = 12 hour mute
-Offensive language = 12 hour mute
-Spamming = 6 hour mute
-Second offence (racism) = 24 hour mute
-Third offence (racism) = 48 hour ip-mute

Now if I would happen to see this player say anything like this again, I can assure you the severity of the punishments will keep going up. (Some players are already at 7 days+ mutes for racism.)

Now I know 'show some respect for your community' might not have been pointed directly at me, but I do take it pretty personal.
I work 38-60 hours a week (physical job) and yet I still manage to play 10-40 hours a week.
Every time I log on, I try to be as involved with the community as I possibly can, I'm always in the help chat answering questions, and I got new players in my PMs on a daily base asking me all kinds of stuff. Sometimes, after a long day of work, I just want to log on and enjoy some Pkhonor u know. But no matter how long my day was, my PMs will be open and I will help out any player as well as I can, just because I love this game and it's community.

As a last remark, I don't agree on your claim that the community became more toxic. I'd actually say it's not even as bad as it used to be. Ofcourse there's a few rotten apples, but as previously mentioned, we hand out severe punishments to those.
Yes, you'll still have the occasional flaming person that just lost his bank staking, or died in the wilderness, but that's kind of unavoidable with emotional 16 year olds playing.

Ryan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:12 pm Sure there are things we could do better, but how about a suggestions thread, instead of a hate thread telling me myself and the staff team are the reason this server is 'dead'.

Couldn't have said it any better. ^

i dont know what else to say except all the things you pointed out are completely false.
just like @Uim legolas pointed out

Uim legolas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:17 pm I can show you a lot of these, but let's go over the punishment history of a player that's been racist multiple times within the last 3 weeks.
-First offence (racism) = 12 hour mute
-Offensive language = 12 hour mute
-Spamming = 6 hour mute
-Second offence (racism) = 24 hour mute
-Third offence (racism) = 48 hour ip-mute

i saw this whole situation happening with my own 100% working eyes. And i must say he handled it perfectly.

on the other hand, what it comes to this

Legit nukes wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:00 am i don't want people yelling about dicks or vaginas and pornhub, i don't wanna see home filled with afk people and beggars or even newer players there to just manipulate the image of the server, and i've seen this so much in the past 2 days i played..

I can ASSURE you none of this stuff actually happened, if it did you PROBABLY would've posted a ::Report following the correct format, and i don't also see why in your opinion people can NOT be away from their keyboards for a little while, even if they leave their clients open overnight what does that have to do with you?
Back in the time when you were a moderator i didn't see you giving the game any benefit, you were fairly inactive moderator which also you were complaining about "ADMINS NOT SHOWING THEIR FACES" it's bold of you to assume that they've grown roots to their gaming / office chairs when they signed up to be responsible of PKHonor's future. when you yourself had 4 hours active timeplayed per week as a moderator.

I first wasn't going to get involved in this situation(thread) but honestly, i've seen so many threads about "PKHONOR BEING DEAD" and it cringes me too much i have to hop in and say a few words to the people that do not understand that this game has been running more than well for many many years and will for many more.

we've seen playercount dropping to active 10 at most, no one was looking for any solutions on how to solve that situation besides the staff team/developers/owners.

Last but definetly not least, i don't think it's your place to say anything about playercount when you literally yourself said

Legit nukes wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:00 am I just recently came back for a few days