Yell channel: what shouldn't be allowed?

[K1l1l1l1l1l1]

The prem/ donors are the only people that care about this server; banning them from yell would make a lot more people quit. Then this server can finally turn to dust

As I've stated, it's a last ditch effort if all else fails and I'm hoping it'll never come to that (it probably won't).

As for punishments being strict - I believe it's the best way to get people to behave properly. And to be honest, being taken your yell rights away for one day is hardly worth getting mad about.
"Oh no, now I can't tell everyone to come duel me for a day. I'm quitting this server."
I don't really think so to be honest.

Plus, most people don't have anything to fear - at least 95% of all players know how to use yell properly. It's those 5% who consistently abuse it that need to be scared of harsh punishments. But to be honest, they kind of got it coming.


Then again, the punishments are certainly up for debate, and I'll be sure to put up an official poll on the severity of the punishments later on. First I'd like some input from the community though.

People don't want to be told how to "behave properly" over the internet and to be fair, there are loads of other servers that are pretty much identical to this. So people don't really lose anything by switching over to another server given how easy it is to get items on rsps.

[Ivy]

Yell is overrated and uncalled for, we'd be better off just removing it.

[Jousipamppu]

About insults/disrespecting and racism, depending on the content, those can be interlinked. I won't go into examples, but...
The punishment for aforementioned categories could be the same, with a minimum punishment set at 2-3 days
and the maximum being that of one week (7 days). Punishments in first-time offences would be set accordingly from 2-7 days,
but multi-offenders would get 7 + 7 days automatically. Why this:

1) First-time offender, who gets punished, should understand WHY he/she was muted.
(Plus we don't know if the offender will repeat the crime).
2) Second-time offender has no room to say "I didn't know" or "Too harsh", for he/she was punished earlier
and therefore should know, what would follow. Now you (staff) don't have to consider any mitigating circumstances, if there were any.

The idea of punishments is to prevent offences but also to make people think of their actions.
My idea is based on the fact that second-timer will ALWAYS know the follow-up. I also think third offence should be a permanent
mute/yell mute.

[Alcoholking6]

I think we should still be able to have a normal conversation on the yell channel.. But that's just me.

[Jousipamppu]

The prem/ donors are the only people that care about this server; banning them from yell would make a lot more people quit. Then this server can finally turn to dust

Isn't that the problem? You think only players with statuses care, oh no. EVERYONE cares about this server.
Maybe not everyone put money into this game, but they all still care. For they skill, they do combat, they buy/sell things in-game.
Which counts for one's PROGRESS, so of course they care too, don't they? What I am saying is, that people put always some sort
of effort and that means they care.

I care deeply, yet I am not even playing in-game at the moment. I know a lot about disturbances and that's because I have been
the disturbing part, on more than one occasion unfortunately. I have been banned for quite a while now, but I'll never stop caring.
PkHonor gives something to everyone playing it, the odd ones like me think of this as the Paradise.

But effort etc isn't what keeps the server running; it's money. And when people realise that they will get less for their money, they'll pay to become a donor/whatever on another server. I used to enjoy pkh too until edge wild became people camping in vesta at level 80, or people could two hit you with the hand cannon. This game is catered for those who pay, and taking their privileges away would only result in the dismay of the main user base.

So it is okay to heed to the wishes of the majority, but ignore the wishes of the minority?
Now what kind of logic is that? I get your point of money keeping the server alive,
but there are people with actual feelings. Besides, I don't think Mike cares only about receiving (money),
even though that is an incentive in itself.
He has to deliver, which he does and considerations like these are the signs, that Mike cares, for he wouldn't
make this kind of topic if he didn't care at all. I don't think he would bother at this server, if it was a lost war,
figuratively speaking.

[B0rnt0b3pk]

I thought they already was strict, as I got yellmuted for 2 days for selling/buying items over yell.

[Mike]

You should be coupling this with ways to promote positive interactiveness with the community, so the likelihood of negativity is reduced, not just the likelihood of it being in yell.

Don't leave people bitter about how Pkhonor handles this kind of stuff, but thankful of it.

I'm all for positive changes - I personally believe there should be incentive to do the right thing, rather than punishment for doing the wrong thing. The only question is: how?

Perhaps introduce a general 'offense meter' that measures the amount of punishments someone got, and reduce their droprates, xp rates and pkpoint rates depending on that meter? I don't know, just a wild thought. It would definitely motivate people not to get punished though.

I thought they already was strict, as I got yellmuted for 2 days for selling/buying items over yell.

As several people have already pointed out, there's inconsistency in how the yell rules are enforced and what is/isn't allowed. It also seems to differ from one staff member to the other.
That's why I've made this thread - so there can be a set of clear rules and punishments that all staff can follow.

[Faith]

are you trying to run a government or runescape private server ?
idk

For repeat offenders you could remove their prem/donar?

[Mike]

are you trying to run a government or runescape private server ?
idk

There's a reason I called it an "open discussion". Nothing I have stated in my first post is final, and what I'm asking for is the community their input. If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, please don't comment.

I'm also very well aware that some of the things I've listed are rather harsh/extreme. I didn't do that because I want things to be that way, I did it because I want to know how the community thinks about them.

[Edit] Thank you for your input

[B0rnt0b3pk]

You should be coupling this with ways to promote positive interactiveness with the community, so the likelihood of negativity is reduced, not just the likelihood of it being in yell.

Don't leave people bitter about how Pkhonor handles this kind of stuff, but thankful of it.

I'm all for positive changes - I personally believe there should be incentive to do the right thing, rather than punishment for doing the wrong thing. The only question is: how?

Perhaps introduce a general 'offense meter' that measures the amount of punishments someone got, and reduce their droprates, xp rates and pkpoint rates depending on that meter? I don't know, just a wild thought. It would definitely motivate people not to get punished though.

I thought they already was strict, as I got yellmuted for 2 days for selling/buying items over yell.

As several people have already pointed out, there's inconsistency in how the yell rules are enforced and what is/isn't allowed. It also seems to differ from one staff member to the other.
That's why I've made this thread - so there can be a set of clear rules and punishments that all staff can follow.

What I can think of is more communication between staffmembers, as it seems to me they're very separated and does their own thing. Many times it seems they're not using logic nor common sense when muting people, but rather set it under a rule and it all becomes fine. So, moderators knowing when players are joking around (asking the person targeted before muting), have his eyes up and not being "trigger happy" would be a big improvement.